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Ian Hamilton and Scotland’s Stone of Destiny .. — 21 Comments

  1. Twenty-five years ago, on St Andrew’s Day 1996, the Stone from Westminster Abbey was returned to Scotland, to be displayed in Edinburgh Castle. Now
    there are plans to give it a permanent home in Perth.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-59394186

    Earlier in 1996 Mr Campbell Gunn, a respected journalist with the Sunday Post newspaper, had written (7 July): “The stone which rests in London today is unlikely to be the original. .. I was told, by someone involved in the 1950 ‘theft’, where it is. But I promised never to reveal the spot.”

    Iain.

  2. Scotiana’s small team join me in sending our kind regards, Mr Hamilton, on the occasion of your Birthday (13 September). Continuing good health and happiness is our wish for you!

    Iain.

  3. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-63132771

    We read with deep sadness on 4 October of the passing of Mr Hamilton. Ian’s health declined. One of his colleagues at the Faculty of Advocates revealed that, distressingly, Ian had lost his eyesight, and that Jeannette, his wife of 50 years, read to him the messages from the cards received just three weeks earlier, on his 97th birthday.

    The 2008 Edition of ‘Stone of Destiny’ (available as a Kindle eBook) is dedicated:
    “To Jeannette : The safe harbour of all my joys.”

    ‘She has taught me gentleness, a lesson at which I was never an apt pupil, and against which teaching I sometimes rebel.’ I never did meet Mr Hamilton, but know that I would have liked him very much.

    I join the hundreds of thousands, both in Scotland and beyond, who honour and revere his memory. To Jeannette and the family, and all those who loved Ian, we send our kindest thoughts.

    Iain.

  4. I was told by a Scotsman (then probably in his 50s) who lived in East Birmingham that he had ‘been involved’ with the taking of the Stone. The conversation would have been around 1982 and I had come to know him through my work at a law centre. He told me that the Stone itself had not been returned to England, merely a replica. I suppose he may have been the friend with whom Kay Matheson had deposited part of the Stone on her journey north. What may be evidence of the truth of what he said is that he had nothing to gain from telling me anything about it at all. I had little idea of what the Stone was or represented at the time and there had been no prior conversation about it. It was a conversation and admission that was so unusual I have never forgotten it.

  5. The Daily Telegraph newspaper revealed today that Prof. Sir Neil MacCormick, knowing that he was terminally ill, had given to Scotland’s then First Minister, Alex Salmond, a fragment of our Stone of Destiny that had been in his care. (Sir Neil was, of course, son of John MacCormick who had helped to make possible the return of the Stone to Scotland.)

    “The final item of the Scottish Cabinet minutes dated Sept 16 2008 was titled ‘The Stone of Destiny’.

    “It read: ‘The First Minister said that he had met with Professor Sir Neil MacCormick who had presented him with a fragment of the Stone of Destiny as a personal gift. The permanent secretary agreed that the fragment need not be surrendered to Historic Scotland.’

    “Sir Neil was a former special adviser to Mr Salmond and a former SNP MEP. He died in April 2009.”

    Iain.

  6. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-68625908

    The eagerly awaited new Perth Museum will open on Saturday 30 March 2024. It’s at St.John’s Place in the centre of the City (PH1 5SZ), and has been created within the walls of the former City Hall, first constructed in 1909.

    Scotland’s Stone of Destiny, the Stone of Scone (Scone is just two miles away), will sit at the centre of many thousands of objects that constitute a Collection of National Significance. Entrance to the new museum is free of charge, but viewing of the Stone of Destiny is by appointment only – very strict security measures are in force. (We can’t have some crazy students taking the precious Stone back to London, can we?)

    I shall post a separate Comment, giving a Link to the excellent website of Perth Museum, where details are given of how to book a ‘slot’ to view the Stone.

    Iain.

  7. https://perthmuseum.co.uk/the-stone-of-destiny/

    No charge is made for admission to the new Perth Museum, or to the separate Stone of Destiny Experience, but generally speaking a booking must be made in advance to see the Stone. Only a small number of 10-minute ‘slots’ are available ‘on the day’. It’s important, too, to attend well in advance of your agreed time slot, to allow security formalities to be completed.

    Full details of arrangements to see the Stone of Destiny, including booking, are given at the Perth Museum website, above.

    Iain.

  8. Having listened to the BBC’s 1973 John Rollo recording, I wonder if anyone please knows where John Rollo’s co-director, James Scott lived (he who looked after the smaller fragment in a HP carton in his garage before it was reunited with the large portion in Bearsden)? I’m researching the Stone as part of this project: https://thestone.stir.ac.uk/. Thank you!

  9. Professor Sally Foster, University of Stirling, has informed me that she now knows Mr James Scott’s home to have been in Bonnybridge – not too far from John M Rollo’s engineering works, to which Ian Hamilton delivered, under cover of darkness, the larger portion of the Stone. It was put into a sturdy wooden packing-case before being concealed behind some panelling, even the fixing nails being treated with corrosive material to give the impression of age.

    Mr Scott seems to have been a Director of the firm, sharing its management with Mr Rollo, and it appears that he played some part in concealing the smaller part of the Stone, which arrived at Bonnybridge a few days later and was put into a solid pasteboard carton that had originally held bottles of HP Sauce. (There’s a certain irony here – the Houses of Parliament, which inspired the Sauce, convene in the Palace of Westminster, while Scotland’s Stone of Destiny was repatriated from Westminster Abbey, so close by.)

    Ian Hamilton and his young friends considered their task over, once they had delivered both parts of the Stone safely to Bertie Gray and John MacCormick. The smaller part does seem to have been moved several times however, to avoid discovery, and of this Ian had no precise knowledge. He did write words to the effect that, if someone’s Grandfather, or someone else’s Uncle Bob had allegedly helped to hide the Stone, that might well be true!

    It seems beyond doubt that it was in Mr Willie White’s garage, at his home in Bearsden, that the Stone was expertly repaired before being returned.

    Iain.

  10. While it’s a romantic notion to write (as I did) that King Edward had taken by force in 1296 the Stone “upon which Scottish kings had been crowned for more than four centuries” – and although little more of the events of these ancient times is likely now to be discovered – we should aim to separate where possible, I think, the true history of the Stone from the many legends that have gathered around it.

    The original Stone of legend, the Lia Fail (=Stone of Fate, Stone of Destiny) was of black basalt, quite distinct from the pink/red sandstone of Scone, and must have been of considerable size, for it is believed to have been fashioned into the shape of a rounded seat or chair. The Lia Fail was hidden from Edward’s soldiers in 1296. They carried off to England a simple block of sandstone, while the precious old Stone is still thought to lie buried (and lost) on Bonhard Hill, Scone.

    Campbell Gunn, the Sunday Post journalist, wrote in his short piece (July 1996) of the comic song, ‘The Wee Magic Stane’ (by Johnny McEvoy, I think. I’d love to learn more of Mr McEvoy, who seems to have emigrated to Canada in the 1950’s.) Much of the humour of this song comes from the idea that, such was the demand for replicas of Scotland’s Stone of Destiny after its repatriation in 1951, that copies were mass-produced; so many were made, in fact, that the ‘original’ Stone was mixed up with all the others!

    I mentioned that Ian Hamilton had seen at Bertie Gray’s yard, Lambhill, a replica Stone ‘made in connection with an earlier plot, one that did not come off’. (Compton Mackenzie was involved in this plan for a ‘daylight raid’, I think.) Bertie Gray seems to have made at least one more replica of the Stone around 1951, and possibly two more copies.

    One Stone found its way to the Arlington Bar in Woodlands Road, Glasgow (close to the University), where it was displayed in a glass case. A second – it is claimed – was substituted for the Westminster Stone and surrendered at Arbroath Abbey. (Ian Hamilton would dispute this; he has written emphatically that the Stone returned at Arbroath was the Stone that he and his young friends brought north.)

    The true Westminster Stone, it is alleged, was then hidden at various places in Scotland. In 1972, it was known to have been concealed at St. Columba’s Church, Dundee, whose minister, Rev. John Mackay Nimmo was a friend of Bertie Gray and a fellow member of the Knights Templar (allied to the Freemasons, I think). When St. Columba’s closed, the Stone was moved for safe-keeping to ‘a Scottish castle’, and by 30 November 1989 (St. Andrew’s Day) it had turned up at the Old Glasgow Museum, Glasgow Green (the ‘People’s Palace).

    Whatever the truth regarding these copies of the Stone, the controversies around them served to keep alive the question of permanently repatriating the Stone of Destiny to Scotland.

    Michael Forsyth, now Lord Forsyth, Conservative (and Unionist) Secretary of State for Scotland in 1996, declared himself satisfied that the Stone restored to Scotland that year (and now at Perth) was the original from 1296. Ian Hamilton was gracious, and wise too, I think. ‘I have no reason to think that Mr. Forsyth loves Scotland any less than I do,’ he wrote.

    Iain.

  11. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c79d120x2pzo

    Some further news of Professor Sally Foster’s research at the University of Stirling! She is particularly anxious to get in touch with descendants of ‘Bertie’ Gray, who died on 12 April 1975, and was survived by his wife, Marion, one son and two daughters. Prof. Foster can be reached here – s.m.fosterATstir.ac.uk

    It seems that three metal pins (probably of brass) were used to connect the two parts of the Stone of Destiny, and in order to execute this repair it was necessary to remove some of the original sandstone material.

    As noted in a Comment above, a piece of stone measuring little more than an inch across (and probably one of the larger fragments) was given to John MacCormick, finding its way to his son, Neil, and hence to Alex Salmond, who lodged it at the offices of the SNP. A letter of 13 March 1974 from Bertie Gray to Mrs Margaret MacCormick (John’s widow) has been preserved, and confirms that this piece of the Stone is genuine.

    Prof. Foster now believes that no fewer than 34 fragments of the Stone, each one numbered, were distributed to friends and supporters of Scottish Home Rule. So far, however, she is confident of the location of just four of these.

    In addition to Mr Alex Salmond, three people in public life are named as having possessed fragments of the Stone. Winifred Ewing (1929-2023), who set the SNP on its course to modern success at Hamilton in 1967 (and was for 20 years the Member of the European Parliament for Scotland’s Highlands and Islands) wore a brooch into which a little piece of the precious Stone had been set.

    Sir Patrick Dollan (1885-1963), Lord Provost of Glasgow from 1938-1941, also had a stone fragment. Although Sir Patrick’s affiliation latterly was to the Labour Party, as a young man he had been prominent in the Independent Labour Party, which had always been sympathetic to self-government for Scotland.

    Lastly, I was slightly puzzled as to how the illustrious Canadian war correspondent and journalist Richard (Dick) Sanburn (c.1912-1982) came to have a wee piece of our Stone of Destiny, which he proudly displayed in his office as Editor of the Calgary Herald. Perhaps I shall soon find out!

    Iain.

  12. https://thestone.stir.ac.uk/2023/04/22/the-stone-of-destiny-a-moving-story/

    This post from 22 April 2023 is linked – so far – to 13 others by Professor Sally Foster, University of Stirling, all relating to her research project on Scotland’s Stone of Destiny. I do recommend that our readers take the trouble to look, however briefly, at all 14 posts! There’s lots of information given, fresh and original to most people, I would think, as well as some photos of outstanding interest.

    A word of correction. Mrs Winifred Ewing, victor in the sensational byelection at Hamilton in 1967, was given a small fragment of the Stone by Bertie Gray (who lived until 1975). ‘Winnie’ Ewing – ‘Madame Ecosse’ – incorporated this little treasure into a pendant, which she wore in 1967 when being interviewed by the TV journalist David Frost. A charming photo of Winnie, wearing her pendant, is one of many to be seen on Prof. Foster’s blog.

    Iain.

  13. https://thestone.stir.ac.uk/2025/01/24/media-interest-in-authenticitys-child-project/
    https://thestone.stir.ac.uk/2025/01/24/cracked-34-fragments-1-stone-xxxv/
    https://thestone.stir.ac.uk/2025/01/24/public-responses-to-the-search-for-missing-fragments/

    I would draw readers’ attention particularly to these three posts by Professor Sally Foster, dated 24 January 2025. She writes of having established with some confidence that Bertie Gray saved and set aside a total of 34 fragments from the Stone, with the intention of distributing them to friends who had helped to repatriate or conceal it – and also, if possible, to fulfill the rather romantic notion of sending a piece, however small, to each Continent on Earth!

    In advance of the Coronation of HM King Charles III on 6 May 2023, scientists from Historic Scotland subjected the Stone to the most careful examination. Using the most advanced techniques, they discovered on its underside a small, hitherto unnoticed marking. The Roman characters XXXV were lightly scratched there, confirming to Prof. Foster that there were indeed 34 ‘other’ stones in existence, the Stone of Destiny itself being Stone No. 35. (Mr. Gray’s little joke, perhaps!)

    We cannot yet identify, of course, all 34 recipients of a fragment of the Stone. I have mentioned, in an earlier Comment, the piece at Calgary, Alberta, Canada. Prof. Foster posted of a piece given on 2 July 1955 ‘to a passing Australian tourist’, Mrs. Catherine Milne. A unique souvenir of Scotland!

    It’s known that Bertie Gray gave a piece in 1974 (13 months or so before his death) – to his daughter, Marion, and also, as noted above, to Mrs. Margaret MacCormick, widow of ‘King’ John MacCormick. In both cases, Mr. Gray supplied letters of authentication.

    Speaking to a reporter from the Daily Record newspaper in December 1980, Kay Matheson confirmed that it was her habit to wear ‘a tiny piece (of the Stone) in a locket, to remind her of those (special) days’. And we learn that Ian Hamilton gave a fragment to his girlfriend, Sheila, as a gift on her 21st Birthday (8 July 1951). Sheila, from Sunderland, was an English girl, but Ian had no anti-English prejudice whatsoever, and the pair were married soon afterwards.

    I confess that I was unaware of the role played by Mr. Thomas ‘Tam’ Smith of Bannockburn, Stirling, in helping to conceal a part of the Stone during the 107 days of its ‘liberation’. Tam Smith – not unlike John Rollo – was also the owner of an engineering workshop. Quite unexpectedly, a trailer arrived one day at his yard, carrying a part of the Stone of Destiny, with the request that it be concealed. Mr. Smith (1890-1987), a modest and humble man, never identified the person who had brought it to him. Tam received the gift of a small fragment of the Stone, which he put into a matchbox and kept safe – it is thought to have been interred with him in Bannockburn Cemetery.

    Prof. Foster’s Blog reveals that the foreman stonemason employed by Bertie Gray – the highly-skilled mason who repaired the Stone at Bearsden – was Mr. Edward Manley. Three bronze dowels were inserted, to join the pieces securely.

    I’m sure that I’m not alone in looking forward to learning more – in due course -from the research being done by Prof. Sally Foster! 🙂

    Iain.

  14. On Christmas Day 1980, 30 years after the taking of the Stone of Destiny from Westminster Abbey, Bertie Gray’s son, Gordon, revealed in a BBC Radio broadcast that a written message had been placed inside the Stone during its repair. Mr Edward Manley, Gray’s foreman stonemason, was in charge of this work, and inserted into one of the bronze jointing dowels the following typewritten message :

    “March 1951. Stone of Destiny. This Stone belongs to Scotland, and it was stolen by King Edward the First of England in 1296. The Church of England should be ashamed to admit that they have allowed this stolen piece of property to remain in Westminster Abbey from that time. It must be returned to Scotland, and no doubt it will be demanded for the reopening of the Scottish Parliament, which was never closed but only adjourned in 1707.
    (Signed) John MacCormick, Robert Gray, Edward Manley.”

    Edward Carpenter, then Dean of Westminster, declared that there was no possibility of the Stone being opened again.

    Iain.

  15. https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/lifestyle/6328416/aberdeen-gp-grandfather-stone-of-destiny-hidden/

    In this feature from the (Aberdeen) Press and Journal, Dr Ken Lawton tells how his grandfather, Mr Tam Smith of Bannockburn, helped to hide the larger portion of the Stone, in its wooden crate, during the early weeks of 1951.

    Like his friend John Rollo, Tam was the owner of an engineering works. He had been born in the Gorbals, Glasgow, in 1890 and enjoyed a remarkably long life, reaching the age of 97 years.

    Iain.

  16. As he made clear in his book, Ian Hamilton formed a high opinion of Detective Inspector William Kerr of the City of Glasgow Police, who led the Scottish investigation into the taking of the Stone.

    Mr Kerr remained in touch with the young people and their parents, and a certain friendship developed. Ultimately, probably in 1956, Mr Kerr received from Bertie Gray the gift of a small fragment of the Stone. (It’s thought that this was on the occasion of a dinner held in honour of Mr and Mrs Kerr, to mark William Kerr’s appointment as Chief Constable of Dunbartonshire. Alan Stuart’s father was among those present that evening.)

    Iain.

  17. It seems that Dick Sanburn, London Correspondent of the (Canadian) Calgary Herald in April 1951, came up to Glasgow to meet some of those involved in the repatriation of the Stone and spoke at length with Bertie Gray, whom he found to be quite unusually interesting. I expect that the process of repairing the Stone was discussed in detail.

    This work had been done during the Easter weekend of 1951 at the home in Bearsden of Mr William Whyte (a committed nationalist, and by profession a Chartered Accountant). Edward (Ned) Manley, an Aberdonian and Bertie Gray’s most skilled mason, cut sockets for the bronze jointing dowels using a simple chisel and mallet, causing apparently quite a bit of noise.

    Mrs Kathleen Whyte – Willie Whyte’s wife – described how, following the repair, the Stone rested on her stout dining-room table, until the newly made cement had cured!

    Iain.

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